no perspective

we westerners have "lost all perspective" led by a media of western values that "blows things way out of proportion" we measure "moral" by harm and pain-

except we ignore the immoral cruel pain of infant circumcision-
because that is "common"

??

we think and are told that it is unspeakably-dreadful to:

cut off a pilots limbs

unspeakably-dreadful to hang someone to death

and unspeakably-dreadful to burn someone in a cage

if we define moral as "no harm and no pain" then there is no difference and any pain and harm is immoral and a court may not do what is immoral.

other cultures do have bodily punishment.

before we announce confidently "burning a pilot in a cage  is an irrational corruption of justice" we must realize that we are skipping a step.

the problem is not irrational- the problem is something else.

but it is complex so most people miss the point but you are intelligent to comprehend if you have not stopped reading by the sixth line

1 first: bodily punishment is not unique to Islamic state organization="dos-" for brevity

moses spoke of the same punishment as burning a pilot with a frightening difference

"the sinners shall be burned in fire him and them" the words "in a fire" can be translated "kill by fire" almost the same- and they are the same as what dos- did to the pilot kill by fire. the only difference is that the pilot dropped bombs that "burned people in fire" this distinction is pure unemotional logic that any pure blooded "vulcan" of unemotional logic and maybe even "spock" would admit is logic and precise justice.

it is rational to punish one "who kills by fire" with the precise punishment "killing by fire" and precise justice- the problem is something else-

the problem is what the islamic university in egypt pointed out [al azhar] the decision to punish a pilot who dropped bombs that burn- has defined killing by fire as a crime and may not do that same act which is defined as "crime" therefore the islamic justice is that those judges and executioners who did the non-islamic punishment deserve an islamic punishment: "death or cutting off limbs"

this is the justice of those muslims who protest the extremists of islamic state organization. the moderate muslims who have justice of death or cutting off limbs that is moderate islam of those who protest dos-

logic results in the comprehension that IF dos- had not wanted "unemotional justice" of fire-for-fire-

but had decided "we will show mercy and spare the pilots life and ONLY cut off his limbs" that would be fine and good with no complaint from the islamic university in egypt- because it is "islamic justice" and even merciful to return the pilot limbless to his family.

how do you feel when you read that? do you understand what moderate islam is? as westerners the problem is that the court cannot do a punishment that is immoral.

similarly jordanians complained that those who burned the pilot in fire  are not islam and deserve to be hanged by islamic justice-

that is islamic justice- to kill by hangingץ

the same approach there would be no complaint if dos- had hung the pilot to death because that is islamic justice.

that is the moderate islam that protests the extreme for being "unislamic"

the mishna of rabbinic judaism is approximately the same- i do not know which is "more immoral" so you can choose-

instead of the words of moses "kill by fire and kill in fire" which mean the sinner is "in" the fire the rabbis write in mishna that "fire in the sinner" fulfills-

pouring molten hot metal in the sinner fulfills.

there is an aspect of "not fitting the crime" that a sin of fornication did not kill anyone in fire in contrast to dos- which deserves mention in burning a pilot who burned in fire. the problem is something else- not the corruption of justice- the issue is that the judge had done what the judge had defined as a crime.

the rabbis defend the mishna because that is the "will of god and god defines what is truly moral" in leviticus 20.14

??

instead of moral meaning "no harm and no pain"

the mishna also has "pushing men who lay with men from the roof" when i read that dos- published a video that they did precisely that-

i thought they had converted to rabbinic judaism-

but now they burnt a pilot so it is something else-

jordan says what they did is inislamic and they are "not muslim" using the words "devil/satan"

but if we know that moses said to kill by fire or burn "in a fire"-

i ask: is burning a sinner in a fire satanic of the devil? or from the god of israel in leviticus?

or is the bible not entirely from god but contains additions from cruel religious leaders? i can only hope god didnot command those things in leviticus and numbers- and i am the one writing a summary of moses but these things must be censored out.

in summary the judges of dos- have been criticised and those who protest define the islamic punishments of cutting off limbs-

those are the moderates who protest the extremists with words of protest- and say what islam is- and we can understand that it would be "merciful" to spare the pilots life- ONLY cut off his limbs and then return the pilot to his family- that would be fina and good and merciful and islamic justice.

unless there is "robocop" technology- then the pilot is still a danger after removing limbs- and must be killed somehow- maybe a painless injection?

the issue is: what is against morality- that is the issue

doing harm and pain is immoral and against the values of morality-

that is the issue

and that applies to many more situations than pushing a man who slept with a man from the roof

we should start by protecting infants from the immoral cruel pain of infant circumcision.